Dr. Greg Eckel on How one can Hold Your Mind Wholesome As You Age


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Katie: Hey, and welcome to the Wellness Mama Podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the top. And this episode is all about cutting-edge mind regenerative know-how and how you can maintain your mind wholesome as you age. I’m right here with Dr. Greg Eckel, who has spent the final 20+ years of his life creating and refining his distinctive method to power neurological circumstances. Along with his expertise in medical follow utilizing a mixture of naturopathic and Chinese language drugs, he has a deep private reference to this, which he explains in his personal phrases, in the beginning of this podcast. And he took a deep dive into this analysis and has been on the entrance finish of some actually cutting-edge know-how, however we additionally speak about some frequent on a regular basis issues we are able to all do to enhance our mind well being. We speak about issues like what misfolded proteins are and what they do within the mind, why we’re seeing an increase in brain-related circumstances, the stunning issue he sees in lots of brain-related illnesses, and it’s not what you assume, what Vsels are, that are very small embryonic stem cells, and the way this with sure lasers are offering actually wonderful anti-aging and mind well being outcomes. After which into extra broad issues like food plan, dietary supplements, sleep and different elements that basically influence the mind. Positively lots of info on this one. So, let’s be a part of Dr. Greg. Dr. Eckel, welcome.

Dr. Greg: Oh, thanks.

Katie: I’m excited to speak with you concerning the mind, particularly. However earlier than we bounce into that, I’ve a word in my present notes that claims that you just hooted the noticed owl on the Olympic Peninsula, and I’ve to grasp what that story was.

Dr. Greg: Effectively, I converse owl. In order an undergrad, I used to be actually concerned with forest ecology and environmental science, I nonetheless am. I truly I feel we should always all have a bumper sticker that claims, “Save the people,” not simply save the whales. However I work for the Forest Service in Quilcene. It’s on the Olympic Peninsula at some of the lovely locations on the planet, and I realized how you can name or hoot the noticed owl.

I bear in mind Jay, he was from North Carolina, he was a part of the Forest Conservation Council, and we mainly put little recordings and we had been like, within the bathe within the mornings like, hoo, hoo, like hooting like an owl, after which we’d exit. We lastly, you already know, it was such a rush the primary time I did it. Was, you already know, you drive as much as the highest of the mountain prime and also you hoot out the decision, they usually reply again and it simply makes the hair in your arm stand on edge. It’s, like, so lovely. So all summer time we hooted the noticed owl, so it’s form of a enjoyable, you already know, occasion trick while you’re tenting up there, to speak to the owls.

Katie: That’s wonderful. I’m comparatively sure you’re my first visitor ever who speaks owl. That’s actually cool.

Dr. Greg: Sure. They’re one in all my, you already know, totem animals at this level. Sure.

Katie: I find it irresistible. Effectively, that, in and of itself is fascinating, however not truly what you’re recognized for. You’re recognized in your work in mind regeneration and mind well being. So to start out broad, I might love to listen to how you bought into that space to start with?

Dr. Greg: You realize, this story begins 11 years in the past with the assembly of Soraya. And Soraya was 6’1, dreadlocks right down to the ground, actually simply a tremendous goddess. And he or she discovered her method into my coronary heart like nobody ever on the planet had ever accomplished earlier than. And, you already know, we blended our households, it was her three children and my two children. We even had a maid named Alice like “The Brady Bunch.” We blended our medical practices, and she or he was a licensed nurse-midwife, nurse practitioner, I’m a naturopathic physician, and all the pieces was simply going simply fantastic.

And you already know, truly, it was higher than fantastic. It was wonderful and magical. After which we moved and Soraya grew to become obsessive about this one orange Fiestaware plate. And, you already know, I assumed massive…look, we transfer issues get misplaced, you already know. Nevertheless it was this one plate, it grew to become like an eerie Groundhog Day and dinner dialog with me and the youngsters of like, “What’s happening?” “Mother’s on the lookout for that plate once more.” And you already know, she would undergo the kitchen after which the cabinets after which down the hallway the place we stored the tenting gear, to the storage, after which lastly wind up within the attic. She’d come again pissed off. After which, you already know, a day or two later she’d do the identical factor, and it began to turn into regarding in that.

Then three months go by, Chelsea, my workplace supervisor someday got here to me and mentioned, “Hey, Doc, Soraya simply left the constructing.” I mentioned, “What are you speaking about?” Stated, “Effectively, she simply left the constructing. She was in her white lab coat and stethoscope and simply began wandering across the streets of Portland, Oregon.” And at that second in time, I knew that we wanted to do one thing. And we cleared the schedule, and that was simply three months proper between shifting to when she strolled out of the clinic.

And you already know, we went on the lookout for options and solutions and at that time, you already know, she was 42, we thought it was the final culprits. Perhaps it was, you already know, perimenopause early, or mildew toxicity, or, you already know, a few of the issues that you’d assume for anyone that younger. Effectively, thankfully, I’ve all the time mentioned she was one in 1,000,000 being, however sadly, the consultants agreed with me on that and she or he obtained this analysis known as CJD, Creutzfeldt-Jakob illness, which is a uncommon about 330 circumstances of North America a yr. And it’s a quickly progressing dementia with no recognized remedy.

Now, I being, you already know, uniquely positioned as husband and doctor, I swung for the fence. What I found didn’t assist Soraya one iota. I imply, we, you already know, at a degree in a development and perhaps your listeners can relate to this, you already know, you’re on the lookout for options and solutions and also you’re simply not getting them. So sooner or later, you need to, with grace and lots of prayer form of, not throw the towel in, however change your outlook and expectations.

And so, I switched from trying to find options to only surrounding her with love. And, you already know, when she handed, our nurse-midwife form of dying doula mentioned it was probably the most lovely dying she had ever attended. You don’t actually hear that so continuously while you speak about loss or anyone’s dying. Nevertheless it additionally, you already know, I didn’t need my struggling to be for naught. And so I, you already know, form of bushwhacked and made it up as I went, as a result of there have been no options for neurodegeneration. So, you already know, I’ve a roadmap, I invite of us to say you don’t need to go it alone and we now have lots of choices for you.

So I shortly grew to become a mind regenerative specialist in that course of. And even by way of my grief, the loss, and that entire course of, you already know, I got here out entire with an open coronary heart and only a zest for the preciousness of life, and a hearth and a ardour to assist as many individuals as I can with neurodegeneration of their mind well being, after which even on a long life entrance. So, you already know, I suppose I arrived in mind regeneration in a faculty of onerous knocks there, and actually went for it. And actually, I form of name them Soraya’s presents, is what we use.

Katie: Wow, what a robust story. And, I’m sorry she’s not with us anymore however it sounds such as you’ve actually discovered the presents and the gratitude in that and utilizing it to assist so many different individuals which I’m positive she could be so joyful to see.

Dr. Greg: Yeah, you already know, it’s fascinating, whereas she’s not in her physique, she actually is right here with us and in such a wonderful method, that’s the piece for me that I’ve this zest for. We don’t understand how lengthy we’re on the planet and the way lengthy we get to, you already know, truly really feel and style and contact and look in individuals’s eyes. And so it simply provides this richness to what we’re doing right here. There’s a legislation of physics, proper, that vitality can’t be destroyed or created, it solely adjustments kind. So I wish to say she left her physique perhaps method too quickly, however she’s nonetheless current in so, so some ways. And simply the lives that we’re serving to right here and the conversations we get into individuals, it’s actually fairly extraordinary.

Katie: Wow, it jogs my memory of the stoic phrases, Memento Mori, “Bear in mind your dying,” which truly I’ve tattooed on my wrist as a reminder of that exact same factor of we don’t understand how lengthy we’re right here. And the way will we make one of the best of it and assist the most individuals within the time that we now have? And I do know that this, from my analysis, a minimum of, led to your very distinctive method that can also contain serving to individuals with Parkinson’s which is not going to be your entire focus of this podcast. We’ll undoubtedly go broad into extra common mind well being. However I might love to only hear slightly little bit of excessive stage about that as effectively.

Dr. Greg: So this part…so I mentioned Soraya was one in 1,000,000 and this analysis of Creutzfeldt-Jakob illness is about 300 circumstances a yr in North America. So I didn’t wish to concentrate on CJD, however I obtained in on the prionic textbooks. So prions are misfolded proteins that don’t have any genetic materials in them, they’re very odd. And oftentimes, while you see them within the literature, they’re known as infectious brokers.

And in there, Parkinson’s is in there, beta-amyloid plaque for Alzheimer’s and dementia, there are tau proteins, Lewy physique proteins of dementia. So there’s all of those misfolded protein illnesses, which is neurodegeneration. So I picked Parkinson’s as a result of, you already know, I’d been in follow at that time, 17 years, I’m now 21 years in follow, and I had lots of of us with that analysis. And it’s like, wow, effectively, I’m uncovering these therapies that may actually assist with this. And so we put them collectively in what I name my FAN-C method to Parkinson’s illness. So I wrote a e-book known as “Shake it Off: An Integrative Strategy to Parkinson’s Options.” Now, there are different e-book titles coming round the entire sides of mind well being, so in case your listeners and viewers are watching they usually’re like, “Effectively, I don’t have Parkinson’s illness.” Hold in there as a result of this is applicable to essentially our mind well being, is the dialogue.

However I needed to essentially area of interest out and deal with these of us with this one analysis of Parkinson’s. And so I wrote a e-book on it, I’ve a summit on the identical title, after which I’ve obtained an even bigger broader Mind Regeneration Summit. However on the method, that’s how I picked Parkinson’s. It was an enormous portion of my follow on the time. And the cures, mainly, the Soraya’s presents that I discovered actually was relevant and I put that into my framework, which I name my FAN-C method to mind well being.

Katie: And I might guess from, I haven’t studied mind well being almost as in-depth, clearly, as you’ve got. However in learning different areas of well being, it looks as if typically excessive situations of illness may give us form of a very fascinating perception into what early phases seem like and/or on the flip aspect, what optimum seems like and form of that development. And looks as if we are able to take the acute after which learn the way we are able to all enhance from these circumstances.

Dr. Greg: That’s it. That’s so true. And so, you already know, what we’re seeing in clinic…so I’m not saying I’m curing illness by any means. However we’re seeing stage two Alzheimer’s reverse, we’re seeing Parkinson’s illness, individuals don’t have any proof of illness anymore. One affected person specifically that I’ll share her story with, Cindy, got here in, she was actually debilitated with a tremor, couldn’t dress anymore. And mainly was caught on her sofa as a result of she was falling over, even with a three-sided strolling help she was nonetheless injuring herself fairly a bit. And fairly depressed at that as a result of, you already know, mainly debilitated on the sofa with Parkinson’s. She discovered us and got here out to the clinic for what I name Camp Nature Cures, it’s the expertise of mind regeneration right here. And we handled her in that course of.

And I obtained a name from her a couple of yr later and she or he mentioned, “Dr. Eckel, you’ll by no means guess what.” I mentioned, “You’re proper, Cindy, I’ll by no means guess what. What’s up?” She help, “My husband simply informed me to decelerate strolling within the park.” I mentioned, “Wow, when is the final time he mentioned that to you?” And he or she mentioned it has been over a decade. She had the analysis for 10 years, and mainly, simply, you already know, was shortly going into full-on incapacity, not capable of transfer off the sofa. She actually obtained her life again.

Now, whereas I can’t declare that for everyone that we deal with, we now have a couple of 95% success fee of bettering their high quality of life right here with our FAN-C method. And that’s, we go away the door open for that to happen. And we’re iterating on a regular basis I’m within the analysis and studying increasingly about how will we assist individuals’s brains regenerate. And on that, you already know, it even goes to the purpose of mind well being and longevity. So from treating precisely what you mentioned, treating the illness course of and repairing there, effectively, then you will get into prevention. After which, we are able to get into the longevity dialogue, which these are all so enjoyable to get into. However, you already know, we’re seeing issues that aren’t occurring different locations across the globe with these sufferers.

Katie: That’s unbelievable. And also you talked about the time period beta-amyloid plaques. And I’d love so that you can outline this slightly bit extra as a result of I don’t realize it in a really nuanced mind well being method, however I undoubtedly come throughout this phrase typically in lots of my studying, and in analysis, and the way this appears to be a key in lots of this stuff which can be happening. My fundamental understanding is that this stuff can construct up within the mind. And as an example, like, deep sleep is the time when our physique flushes cerebral spinal fluid and helps break these down. However that’s concerning the extent of my understanding. So are you able to give us slightly primer?

Dr. Greg: Yeah. So the beta-amyloid plaques are round…they’re misfolded proteins that get tousled. They’re known as neurofibrillary tangles, they’ll get in there and the technical time period is that they’re gonna muck up your mind. So that they get in there they usually trigger mayhem they usually begin different cells to misfold. So different protein buildings will misfold they usually form of “unfold” and I’m doing massive citation marks with that. In that, they’re signaling different cells to misfold. So then that’s what stops the transmission of the neurons and leads into dementia signs or Alzheimer is the most important type of dementia, Lewy physique dementia, these all go into the reminiscence loss, and so on. So these are associated to, in Parkinson’s illness, it’s known as alpha-synuclein is the misfolded protein. So that you hit it spot on together with your understanding there.

Katie: Okay. And as you talked about, hopefully, most individuals listening should not coping with Alzheimer’s dementia or Parkinson’s. Nevertheless it does appear to be these circumstances are all on the rise and doubtlessly occurring at earlier ages. So conceivably, individuals listening might have a few of the both threat elements or early phases and never realize it. Why do you assume we’re seeing an increase in these circumstances proper now?

Dr. Greg: I feel it’s multifold. I imply, there may be one part on ranges of toxicity in our world. So you may even see some adverts on the market round, you already know, roundup, glyphosate, sure pesticides related to triggering Parkinson’s. There are heavy metals in our surroundings that get lodged into our mind that may be at trigger. On the reminiscence loss, it’s an fascinating part that it’s virtually within the innate knowledge of the physique. I’m seeing unresolved traumas on the root of lots of that. It’s virtually as if the innate knowledge says you haven’t handled that trauma, and we’re going to guard you at this level.

And there’s a hyperlink and now it is a working speculation on my half. However even on ancestral traumas, as we’ve been on the planet for longer and longer durations of time, we’re carrying these genetic lineages of our households and doing…you already know, this piece that I went by way of with Soraya, we actually obtained into what might have triggered this to start out within the first place? As a result of that’s the trillion-dollar query of why do proteins misfold?

And ancestral trauma has truly come up on the checklist so far as creating epigenetic adjustments that then are rippling out in our generations now. So it’s multifactorial, there’s food plan, there’s diet, there’s unresolved traumas, there’s household lineage, the ancestral part to it. So all of it provides up, after which by yourself genetic platform as effectively. So there are some nuances there so far as how do you unpack that for anyone in a logical vogue? How do you examine that each one collectively, and placing it right into a plan that may get you traction and motion.

Katie: That’s so fascinating. I used to be just lately requested by a buddy at a cocktail party, what do you assume is the best reason behind human struggling? And my reply was unresolved trauma due to a few of my very own expertise in the previous couple of years. And that form of recurring theme that appears to be displaying up in lots of, to your level, power well being circumstances. And particularly the generational aspect, which was a brand new analysis pathway for me.

I had Mark Wolynn on just lately, who authored “It Didn’t Begin with You.” And he defined what you talked about, that epigenetic change. And I’m excited for the way forward for that analysis. I feel it’s nice that we’re seeing and beginning to perceive that it’s extra than simply the sum of the bodily inputs going within the physique. And I feel that looks as if, particularly with the mind, gonna be a really, crucial pathway to go down in continued analysis.

So I really feel like we effectively established why these are issues and form of what the acute variations of them seem like. I’ve additionally seen you write and say that you just plan to stay to be 150 years outdated, which might require a reasonably wholesome mind and a reasonably wholesome physique. So I’m curious to form of construct that bridge now and speak concerning the constructive aspect of all this, which is what can we do to enhance our mind well being?

Dr. Greg: Yeah, for positive. What has given me some chutzpah, so to talk, is seeing a few of these power neurodegenerative circumstances reverse to the purpose of no proof of illness. And it’s miraculous, to say the least, as a result of it’s not alleged to occur. You’re not alleged to get your mind again after it’s been broken. And in seeing that, and having the privilege to sit down with 90-year-old sufferers saying, you already know, lots of the theme with the 90-year-olds is, if I had recognized I used to be going to stay this lengthy, I might have taken higher care of myself. And so, you already know, it was like, effectively…so I took it to coronary heart. I used to be like, “Okay, effectively, I’m listening to that. And if I wanna stay to be 150, meaning,” you already know, simply issues begin to change while you begin to challenge on the market. However we’re additionally residing at a tremendous time. We now have know-how now that’s displaying age reversal. So there’s a technique to measure the age of your cells, not simply the chronologic age of like, okay, I’m 51 years on the planet, however how outdated do my cells assume they’re?

And also you’ve seen this with you already know, mates or anyone is identical age as you and both they appear actually method youthful than you and also you’re like, how are you doing that? Or they appear actually older, you already know, 10 to 12, 15 years older. Like perhaps they had been a smoker, perhaps that they had lots of unresolved trauma, or you already know, who is aware of what their state of affairs was, however they aged faster. And so we’re displaying on biologic age about 2.6 years age reversal. So my cells are telling me that they’re 12 and a half years youthful. And that feels actually good. I additionally really feel that younger as effectively. So you already know, when individuals are available and say, “Oh, I’m simply getting outdated, it’s simply you already know, regular ageing.” I’m like, “No, I name hogwash on that assertion.”

You realize, the ageing that we’re selling in our communities with our brains and with our brawn, and with group in a really, like, we’re gonna not Benjamin Button it, like, age backwards collectively, however we’re. Like, I wish to be higher this yr than I used to be final yr. You realize, my 40s, had been fairly good decade, I obtained more healthy from 30 to 40. And now from 40, effectively, sorry, 40 to 50, and now 50 to 60, I wanna be even higher than I used to be in my, you already know, 50s. So, you already know, why not? Why not age like that?

Katie: And it looks as if we’re beginning to perceive increasingly about this being attainable, and possibly in a singular method, particularly within the mind, from my understanding. In that the mind is able to virtually like regeneration, and neuroplasticity, and issues which can be a minimum of slower in different areas of the physique. I feel we even have applied sciences rising that may let that occur in lots of methods at a mobile stage all through the physique. However are you able to speak slightly bit about a few of these new modalities which can be form of bettering the physique’s capability for therapeutic?

Dr. Greg: Certain. The most important lever that I’ve found is round VSELs. So that they’re known as very small embryonic-like stem cell procedures. And these VSELs, after I graduated medical college in 2001, we didn’t find out about VSELs. And so they had been found in 2005 by Dr. Ratajczak, at College of Kentucky. And so they had been mainly thought of detritus waste as a result of there was no energetic biologic exercise in these cells that had been discovered within the serum of the blood, till we discovered a technique to activate them.

So these are cells that we had been shaped in utero in our mom’s bellies that created us. They’re embryonic-like, which means they’ll flip into any cell of the physique. They go dormant after we’re born. Sometimes, they’re activated when you’ve got like a coronary heart assault or some cardiac occasion. They’ll come again alive or flip again on and act, you already know, restore, then they return to dormancy. However we’ve discovered a technique to activate them with a laser after which information them into the physique for the place they should go. So we actually shine the sunshine for the place the cells that had been activated by mild must go.

Katie: That’s so fascinating. So to verify I perceive, these are cells that exist in our personal physique. So despite the fact that there’s the phrase embryonic, it’s not that we’re taking these from embryos, these are our personal embryonic stem cells?

Dr. Greg: Proper. That’s proper.

Katie: I’m curious, simply as a cross over there. I’ve learn how, as an example, when a mother is pregnant, cells from her child mainly go in her physique and may go to a spot the place there’s an damage and assist restore it. Are these an identical sort of cell or am I complicated two various things?

Dr. Greg: It will get complicated fast as a result of there’s lots of completely different cell strains of stem cells. So these are embryonic-like, they’re not embryonic, proper? So the embryonic are those that begin with the 1 then go to the two, then go to the three or the 4, then the ten,000 issues of the human physique. These VSELs assist that, then there’s additionally mesenchymal stem cells from the placenta, that then are additionally circulating again to mother to assist restore. So there’s lots of stem cell motion through the rising of one other being within the stomach, proper?

Katie: Bought it. Okay, however the ones we’re speaking about listed below are from our personal serum in our blood?

Dr. Greg: Yeah. So mainly, we pull your blood, we spin it down, and it’s within the plasma, the clear portion of the…you already know, the crimson blood cells go to the underside, then normally a wax separates the serum up above.

Katie: So are you able to speak extra concerning the laser side as a result of I really feel like this half is actually new. And I’ve solely learn very, like, temporary high-level stuff of this, however it appears actually unbelievable, the potential of this?

Dr. Greg: Yeah. So it is a particular laser known as a SONG laser that truly adjustments mild into sound. It’s obtained a refraction on it have about…it refracts the laser. So it goes from mild to sound. So it’s a sound wave that truly is available in. And on it, due to that refraction, there’s mainly info switch ahead and backward on the laser.

And so it’s a selected, you already know, Dr. Todd is his title, he owns the patent on that laser and he’s the one which created the entire course of and really is the creator of this. So I wanna give, you already know, due appreciation and a shout out to him for locating this out. I’m on his medical advisory board and heading up the neurodegenerative mind well being entrance of the analysis there.

Katie: So what does the potential and the long run seem like each within the regenerative aspect when somebody already has one in all these extra excessive variations, and/or within the preventative aspect?

Dr. Greg: If we reverse ageing by 7 years, we’d lower all power sickness on the planet by 50%. So it’s attainable that we might, you already know, actually maintain ourselves younger. Not stay eternally, however maintain ourselves younger in that you already know, stopping power sickness, getting out of ache, having full mobility, having our energy, having our thought course of and, you already know, sharpness of thoughts, and so on. So on the longevity entrance, you already know, the sky is the restrict. And we’re coupled with the laser-activated and guided stem cell process, and we use hyperbaric oxygen, and we even use historical know-how like Chinese language drugs as effectively. So all of these issues wrapped collectively of assembly individuals the place they’re at, measuring blood and plasmalogens and different issues like this of actually engaged on mind chemistry, we are able to, you already know, actually make a distinction.

You realize, due to this course of that I went by way of, I planted the flag within the earth to, you already know, can we transfer the needle with neurodegeneration? The reply is sure. Can we do a greater job of that? Actually. Can we expedite these reversals? Sure. That’s what I’m engaged on, it’s what the folks that I’m speaking to in drugs, even exterior of drugs I feel bioenergetics and sound and frequency therapeutic, I’m very concerned with these matters. And actually making sound frequencies as a result of the laser goes right into a sound wave, which appears to be repairing the mind. And it’s additionally cartilage and…you already know, I can undergo numerous tales of you already know, individuals needing a hip, or a knee substitute, or a shoulder substitute, they don’t want it anymore on imaging. Their physique healed itself. So it’s tremendous thrilling of what the chances are and actually easing the struggling and/or getting individuals again right into a thriving mode.

Katie: What does entry to those therapies seem like proper now? I do know it’s comparatively new, is that this one thing persons are capable of finding in most locations or if not, how can somebody discover it?

Dr. Greg: So proper now as a result of we’re nonetheless engaged on regulatory course of, so there’s the extremely regulated system of drugs in america, for higher or worse. And so there’s a handful of clinics utilizing the VSEL know-how. I’m the middle proper now, in Portland, Oregon, and shortly to have a clinic in Park Metropolis, Utah, across the longevity play so far as the mind regeneration part. A number of of us are doing lots of longevity therapies. However this system and the transformation is, I feel, what units what we’re doing aside there. So we don’t have an internet site for the suppliers. It’s known as Qi Technology, is the title of the corporate that owns the patents on the laser-guided and activated VSEL process.

The papers are simply getting revealed. So there’s been two papers revealed on the process. I’m hoping that there’s a 3rd popping out right here in December round…it’s 10 sufferers with coronary heart illness and injection fracture, bringing their hearts again on-line, which is tremendous spectacular. So I’m hoping that one comes out in December right here. So I suppose my long-winded reply to your query is, it’s not tremendous accessible on the market but however we’re actually on the entrance edge and the entrance strains of this popping out.

Katie: Gotcha. And like we talked about, hopefully, most individuals listening don’t have one in all these extra extreme circumstances that they’re acutely coping with. However there’s a lot to be taught from these circumstances that apply to all of us. And with that being mentioned, it looks as if with each side of well being and this too, there’s gonna be a really multifaceted method. And I do know you had a background in practical drugs earlier than you even specialised in mind well being, so it makes me curious form of what the intersection of these two issues seems like in different areas as effectively. As an illustration, beginning with maybe food plan, which is…diet is my background. I’m curious when you’re seeing any medical proof and/or in your follow, issues which can be useful to the mind from a dietary perspective?

Dr. Greg: There are. There are a ton. So there’s this fascinating speculation for Parkinson’s known as the Braak speculation of alpha-synuclein touring on the vagus nerve from the intestine. So doubtlessly Parkinson’s begins within the intestine. So we’re testing…you already know, we deal with everybody’s food plan. Meals is your greatest drugs. I imply, I’m a naturopathic doc in any case, and agency believer in that. And it does make a distinction.

So you already know, you want your oils, you want your good greens for vitamin minerals, you want satisfactory protein to get your amino acids. After which there’s the energetic a part of the meal too. So earlier than I obtained into doing the embryonic-like stem cell process exosomes or mesenchymal stem cells when these had been out there a number of years in the past, that’s the greatest lever that we actually began to see probably the most change for folk. I used to be doing Chinese language drugs, naturopathic drugs, food plan, remedy, diet, we had been having some profit, however not as a lot because it’s actually accelerated with this additional therapeutics on prime.

Katie: I’m with you, I all the time think about food plan the muse of the rest. And I’ve mentioned earlier than, you possibly can’t out-supplement a foul food plan, you possibly can’t out-exercise a foul food plan, all of them need to work hand in hand. However that being mentioned, are there any vitamins that we’re seeing within the analysis which can be particularly supportive of the mind which can be value supplementing? I’m positive there’s a person side right here as effectively, like I discovered, for myself a minimum of, I’ve some choline-dependent genes and I don’t tolerate eggs very effectively. So I do very well after I complement choline. However are there any common suggestions which can be mind supportive?

Dr. Greg: Yeah, so undoubtedly omega-3 fatty acids is the hugest class. DHA is the one constituent for mind well being. However they’re anti-inflammatory, they’re wonderful for our phospholipid bilayer. New analysis popping out on plasmalogens which I didn’t actually be taught that in medical college. And Dr. Dan Goodenowe is popping out…he wrote a e-book known as “Breaking Alzheimer’s” and revealed on the Alzheimer’s Worldwide Conference right here this final yr on growing plasminogen ranges in our blood and reversing Alzheimer’s, mainly.

So oils are crucial. The omega-3 fatty acids, the 3-6-9 ratio, plasmalogens is an enormous participant there. Degree of ldl cholesterol and iron within the blood are also wonderful markers for mind well being and may give some distinctive supplementation pointers. I additionally take a look at the thyroid so generally supplementing with thyroid supporting meals as a result of there are lots of of us with the Parkinson’s analysis with hypothyroidism.

So there’s form of unofficial hyperlink there however I’m seeing there are some circumstances on PubMed of reversal of Parkinson’s illness with satisfactory thyroid treatment. Dietarily, supplementation, you already know, after I went to high school…you already know, it’s such as you assume you’ve got all of it discovered you then notice, oh, no, there’s a fractal universe right here and there are such a lot of ranges to what we’re doing. So the entire endocannabinoid system, generally it’s, you already know, a cannabidiol deficiency or ratio situation that’s underlying the hormone imbalance. And there are extra receptors for CBD within the mind than the entire different neurotransmitters put collectively. In order that’s one other space that we take a look at, is trying on the CBD.

After all, the mushrooms. I’m actually excited for extra psychedelic analysis to come back out. I imply, that simply makes whole sense to me. neural networks and the way mushrooms talk on the planet and our brains are just about arrange the identical method. So lion’s mane, there’s lots of analysis popping out on lion’s mane. Chaga, these mushrooms, you already know, historical mushrooms which were round, we’ve been utilizing them in Chinese language drugs for eons, and now they’re popping out within the west, which is actually thrilling to see. The B nutritional vitamins, you already know, B12, folic acid, they need to all the time be taken collectively as a result of generally you possibly can masks a deficiency somehow with these.

Utilizing, you already know, the methylation course of and you already know, what’s happening with homocysteine within the blood. And that’s the methyltransferase pathway. So when you’re not methylating effectively or end up with a few of the deficiencies and the SNiPs, that’s a straightforward method of measuring what’s happening in your physique and in your blood. After which that may lead into, you already know, carnitine supplementation, choline supplementation, lecithin. So there are some easy dietary interventions that you are able to do to additionally assist feed the mind. Magnesium is a good one, you already know. So that is the place you form of get into the, what I name the American shotgun method, proper?

Everyone involves me and says, “What can I take from my mind?” And it’s like, effectively, right here’s the entire issues they usually’re all effectively researched. However, you already know, while you line all of them up, and also you’re taking a gazillion dietary supplements, it’s such as you’re treading water and simply making an attempt to maintain your head above water. Versus what I name the Zhang of the method of route, the place you’ve got an emperor, and generals and assistants, everyone to line up and transfer you such as you’re doing the freestyle. So that offers you some traction and motion to the place you wanna go. And that’s the place the individualizing of this system is available in, by way of particular testing, ensuring we meet individuals the place they’re at what’s their genetic platform? After which what’s the, you already know, subsequent greatest step for them on this second.

Katie: That does appear to be the pattern throughout all features of drugs, fortunately, is that personalization side. Though, I’ll say magnesium is a recurring advice…

Dr. Greg: Throughout the board.

Katie: With each professional, each situation I’m but to have anybody say magnesium is dangerous. In order that looks as if an excellent place to begin for lots of people. You additionally talked about that omega 3, 6, and 9 ratio. So I’ve talked earlier than about one in all my theories concerning the rise in lots of power circumstances, is overuse of vegetable oils and polyunsaturated oils. And this looks as if one other one, I do know it’s slightly bit controversial, however a advice I all the time give is that our our bodies form of developed all through historical past with out these particular fat, so we all know we are able to exist with out them. And so till we’re extra positive, it looks as if a reasonably secure factor to restrict or keep away from them.

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You additionally talked about ldl cholesterol. And I feel this is perhaps pertaining to slightly little bit of a controversial subject however I needed to deal with it. And I could also be off base and proper me if I’m incorrect, however I’ve seen some proof that decreasing ldl cholesterol an excessive amount of can truly be dangerous to the mind. And that could be in our concern of cholesterol-related to coronary heart illness, we is perhaps damaging the mind. Am I appropriate about that? And if that’s the case, how will we stability that?

Dr. Greg: Yeah, you might be completely appropriate on that. We now have gone overboard on manipulating ldl cholesterol. And there may be proof arising, Ldl cholesterol beneath 200 which is now the present really helpful quantity. After I began follow, it was 220. Effectively, what occurred? We now have the appearance of statin medicines that we are able to drop it down. However I feel what we’re doing could be very short-sighted in that we’re manipulating ldl cholesterol artificially too low. And also you take a look at what effectively does ldl cholesterol do for us? It’s the spine of the entire intercourse steroid hormones in our physique. It’s integral for the integrity of our cell wall. We want good ldl cholesterol, and it’s gotta be on the fluid dynamics so trans fatty acids shouldn’t be within the food plan. However we’ve gone too far.

And there’s some proof popping out on long-term statin treatment, which is a cholesterol-lowering drug being implicated in early-onset dementias, and mind, reminiscence points, and so on. So, you already know, it has by no means made sense to me to present a mitochondrial toxin, only a statin treatment within the mitochondria, or the vitality manufacturing unit of each cell of your physique. And the guts specifically has probably the most mitochondria as a result of it’s pumping on a regular basis. The mind has lots of mitochondria too, by the way in which. And so we’re toxing out the vitality factories of the physique to decrease a ldl cholesterol quantity that will or might not transfer the needle. I imply heart problems continues to be the primary killer on this nation, with over 50 million individuals on statin treatment. So we haven’t actually moved the bar in coronary heart well being with the appearance of this drug.

So it’s slightly, you already know, it’s controversial as a result of it’s been pushed by the propaganda to say decrease is healthier, decrease is healthier. However I’m not seeing that clinically. And I’ll inform you, you add plasmalogens into that blend and dialogue of ldl cholesterol as a result of plasmalogens make about 20% to 25% of the cell wall or the phospholipid bilayer across the cell. Ldl cholesterol is the opposite massive main portion of that. And, you already know, we is perhaps on to one thing of bringing again our well being in consuming higher. I imply these ratios…I feel you’re spot on while you take a look at linoleic acid which is predominantly the acid that comes from these seed oils, these plant oils, the vegetable oil varietals, so they aren’t good for our well being.

Katie: I’m actually glad you introduced up that mitochondria piece as effectively. I’m in no way an professional on this, however I’ve had a pair on friends on just lately that concentrate on mitochondrial well being and it’s been form of a analysis subject for me. And it looks as if you talked about there’s a excessive focus within the mind and the guts. So that is, contemplating that there’s an increase in circumstances associated to each of these, perhaps one thing we should always take a look at. And one factor that a type of friends really helpful was the significance of pure mild for influencing mitochondrial perform. And it made me surprise, is there a profit to the mind as effectively? Particularly as we’re uncovered to increasingly synthetic mild and fewer and fewer outside mild, is there something we are able to do utilizing pure mild patterns to profit the mind? I do know, as an example, it helps circadian rhythm and deep sleep helps with these amyloid plaques like we talked about. However past that, is there a profit to getting pure daylight for mind well being?

Dr. Greg: Oh, yeah. I imply, throughout the board, while you take a look at, you already know, the physicians that form of gained a Nobel Prize in Drugs was all about circadian rhythm driving all hormonal stability within the physique. So it does make a distinction, like the quantity of blue mild that then suppresses melatonin, I imply, it simply form of…the ramifications of what we’ve accomplished with mild and our sleep cycles like, you already know, the brand new smoking is lack of sleep. So you already know, no person would, listening to your podcast, assume that it’s fantastic for me to smoke a pack of cigarettes, like, it’s not gonna have any impact on my well being, proper? However all of us do it of like 4 to 5 hours of sleep, or, no matter with children or, you don’t get it, proper, you don’t get that stage of sleep. However then the equal well being influence is of smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, proper? You simply may not discover it, you don’t have that smoker’s hack within the morning however over the long run, it undoubtedly catches you.

And so, you already know, undoubtedly in a mind well being perform, limiting blue mild, utilizing the blue blockers at nighttime, watching LED lights in your surroundings. I do know form of everyone has switched to that for the environmental part. However once more, this idea of like, save the people, like we’re taking place. The planet is gonna be right here, we’re those which can be gonna disappear. So it’s, you already know, save the people, like, okay, we undoubtedly wanna take heed to what assets we’re utilizing, and so on., and within the grand scheme of it, are we doing extra hurt than good by now we’re consuming extra poisonous medicines? I do not know. However, you already know, like, who’s that massive image so far as not simply the underside line of vitality, you already know, burnt by candescent mild bulb versus, you already know, the entire different ramifications that occur from throwing our circadian rhythm off? In order that’s an enormous participant.

Katie: I actually like your line about save the people. And truly, one in all my favourite quotes from this podcast was with my son. I interviewed him when he wrote a cookbook, and I requested him a query about environmental elements. And he turned it round on me, he’s like “Mother, you truly requested the incorrect query as a result of it’s not that we have to save the planet. The planet is a self-correcting organism, and it’ll ultimately save itself. It’s asking the query of will we get to maintain residing right here when it does that?”

And I assumed that was a very good level. And to your level simply now as effectively is the earth as a complete will self-correct. It’s simply going to be if it does it in a method that’s cataclysmic to people earlier than we repair these issues. I feel you’re proper, we have to discover that stability of environmentalism and in addition caring for people as a result of long run, these two issues must maintain working collectively. However on the word of sleep, what are some issues we are able to do from a mind perspective? How will we optimize our sleep? And perhaps what are some issues to concentrate to relating to sleep?

Dr. Greg: So I really like monitoring it. So I put on one of many Oura rings. However, you already know, there’s all of these units on the market now, the WHOOP, and you already know, the Fitbit, and, you already know, iWatch, all these issues are monitoring your deep sleep. So that you wanna be monitoring it as a result of it does make a distinction as a result of whether or not you get up…you already know, I’ll see of us they usually’re like, “Oh, I slept horribly.” I used to be okay let’s take a look at your information. It’s like, effectively, truly, you’ve obtained satisfactory deep sleep, you’re over 20% rem, over 7 hours of sleep and also you weren’t stressed.

So, you already know, it’s just like the story that we lay on prime of the sleep which the info suggests like, no, it’s truly we’d like a unique story right here. So it’s getting satisfactory relaxation, so how do you do this? There’s sleep hygiene practices on our units. You realize, it’s f.lux is a blue display screen blocker that goes because the solar units. Now it does make your display screen tougher to learn. However you take a look at that and perhaps you should flip it down, flip it off, proper? It’s time to get off the pc. Getting exterior through the day, through the daylight, through the early mornings actually does make a distinction.

Now, I stay in Portland, Oregon and it’s grey and darkish just about 9 months a yr right here. In order that doesn’t work. So it’s like getting in entrance of some full-spectrum lights within the morning, proper? Seasonal affective dysfunction is such an enormous factor up right here due to that as a result of we’re not getting the total spectrum of sunshine on our our bodies. I feel permitting the sunshine to not all the time put on sun shades, don’t look into the sunshine, don’t stare on the solar. However, you already know, get out within the daylight in order that that is available in. As a result of that’s stimulating melatonin, melanin at the back of the attention there and in your pores and skin, the melanin of your pores and skin that’s additionally then circulating and altering some hormonal stability in your physique.

So sleep hygiene is then, you already know, doing extra mild issues at nighttime, like extra dialog. Gentle strolling is okay, however don’t go to the health club as a result of that’s gonna spike your cortisol and presumably throw off your circadian rhythm. So it’s entering into these well being habits. Generally it’s taking a shower, slowing down, being extra contemplative at nighttime. These are all actions that we are able to do to assist help us into optimum relaxation or, you already know, getting a crown when you’re a hoop wearer or, you already know, alongside these strains.

Katie: All nice recommendation. And that morning mild advice is one other recurring one. And I find it irresistible as a result of it doesn’t value something. We see within the lab outcomes it truly performs out and makes an enormous distinction in your hormones as effectively. So it’s a type of…you already know, there’s these wonderful, like, VSELs and all these cool issues we are able to do. However there’s additionally these free issues like sleep integration and daylight that we should always begin with. Love when that one comes up. And as we get near the top of our time, I wanna be sure I respect your time. However you’ve supplied to share a chapter of your e-book with us. So I might love so that you can speak concerning the e-book. And I’ll guarantee that hyperlink is within the present notes.

Dr. Greg: So in there, I’ve obtained a duplicate of it right here. It’s known as “Shake it Off: An Integrative Strategy to Parkinson’s Options.” Now, it’s not nearly Parkinson’s. Sure, it’s Parkinson’s on the quilt, however this e-book, it does lay out my entire FAN-C method. So F-A-N -C, my FAN-C method to mind regeneration. And that’s what we now have individuals flying in from across the globe, to be handled within the clinics a lot in order that we’re increasing out into Park Metropolis, Utah space as effectively.

In there I format F stands for the practical method that we’re treating heart-centered dynamic beings shifting by way of time and house.

A is the evaluation. And that is typically missed as a result of individuals wanna go to the N, which is the nerve well being, like, what can I take from my mind? Versus we have to assess and switch over some stones as to potentialities as to what are obstacles to your physique therapeutic itself. Three biggies just like the triad that I see are heavy metals, the intestine microbiome, and hormone imbalances. And so these three areas, these are the low-hanging fruit.

Now, in fact, I talked about in right here mildew and lyme and different culprits which can be additionally main gamers that might be mimicking a few of the neurodegeneration and/or getting in the way in which of your mind therapeutic.

Then I get into N so of the FAN-C method. The N is the third letter, and that’s nerve well being. In order that’s the entire completely different vitamins. Now, it’s not exhausted. I imply, I don’t have peptides on this e-book, as a result of these I actually obtained into utilizing afterwards. So we don’t have the peptides in there, however there are lots of peptides you could take for nerve well being. A number of the vitamins that I discussed throughout this present, truly it went above and past within the checklist. After which we get into the…oh, in that nerve well being one of many different fascinating issues that was uncovered was I’ve a patent pending on a nasal spray known as Clear Thoughts. And that is to essentially rid the physique of mind fog. And so it’s a potent neuro anti-inflammatory. Actually places the hearth out, so to talk. And we’re having actually nice outcomes with that Clear Thoughts Nasal Spray.

After which -C is the mobile regeneration. And so I used to be utilizing tissue allograft merchandise and different stem cell merchandise exosomes, these have just about been faraway from the market in Might of 2021 this yr with a regulation from the FDA that turned all of them into drug merchandise. So there’s lots of completely different analysis that has to occur there. However we’ve obtained the VSEL, the laser-activated and guided very small embryonic-like process with hyperbaric oxygen and photobiomodulation, the PMF, and low-level laser therapies to all help the physique in its therapeutic response. In order that’s the FAN-C method that I lay out within the e-book.

I even have all workout routines like Qigong workout routines that I used to be given. I studied in Sichuan province in Tibet as a Chinese language drugs scholar. And so it’s the Jin Jing muscle tendon altering College of Qigong. So I do cloud fingers, and I’ve obtained tremendous mind yoga within the e-book, and I speak about food plan, diet in there as effectively. So it’s a straightforward learn. I actually made it to be consumed, to have the ability to learn it for sufferers and their households. And actually, it’s an effective way to have a look at even stopping, you already know, when you’ve obtained of us with Alzheimer’s dementia or you’ve got considerations that creating, the format and the framework within the e-book despite the fact that it’s titled Parkinson’s, it’s nonetheless an relevant learn for mind well being usually.

Katie: Superior. Effectively, these notes can be within the present notes in addition to linked to your e-book so individuals can continue learning. And talking of books, I’m curious if there’s a e-book or numerous books, moreover in fact, your individual which have had a profound influence in your life, and if that’s the case, what they’re and why?

Dr. Greg: You realize, the earliest e-book that I feel had the most important influence on my life was Ram Dass’s “Be Right here Now.” I discovered that e-book I feel as a sophomore in highschool, and it was my introduction to a different world, I suppose, of potentialities. And in there, at the back of his e-book, I feel I learn each e-book within the assets division at the back of that e-book. So it led me down, form of by way of the entire religious transitions. It led me to Thich Nhat Hanh and “Peace Is Each Step.”

And I actually…you already know, Buddhist thought and spiritual thought from all over the world, and simply across the idea of being within the now. And, you already know, it led me to Elizabeth Kubler-Ross “On Loss of life and Dying.” I imply, it was simply mainly instrumental of like, my curriculum of why I got here to the planet. And I discovered that in early highschool. So I’m so grateful to have discovered him as a trainer, and I obtained to review with him some time he was on the planet. And it led to so many different issues for me. So, you already know, so far as earliest influential e-book that I bear in mind, that’s the one.

Katie: I find it irresistible. I’ll hyperlink to that as effectively. After which lastly, I’m curious, this may be on a private stage, or it might be medically associated. Any simply prime items of recommendation, or the form of the 80/20 of belongings you discover most necessary in your individual life for sustaining well being?

Dr. Greg: You realize, I feel there’s lots of trying exterior of ourselves for the reply. And as I age, you already know, you take a look at all of those form of the sage recommendation is go inside, the solutions lie inside. And that by no means actually made any sense to me till, you already know, the previous couple of years and I’m like, holy cow, that is what they’re speaking about. Like, getting quiet, nonetheless, meditating, actually creating a follow for your self, that you’re intelligence. My understanding of the universe is actually main in direction of oneness.

And if this entire factor is one entity, and we’re all simply form of separate however the identical form of manifestations of one another, we’re simply, you already know, there ought to, primary, much more love ought to come out of that idea. And quantity two, it’s actually getting quiet sufficient to be able to truly hearken to your inside barometer of not emotional or not reactionary, however actually, that also voice that’s in all of us. And entrusting your intuitive sense as a result of you’ll be guided.

I imply, that’s my job as a health care provider, doctor, is I pay attention intently. I wish to say I do lots of nothing all day. It’s the physique, and it’s the intelligence, and the medicines that basically are doing all of the work. I’m holding house. I could be a good information and cheerleader, however finally, that’s what we must be doing for ourselves, is simply getting quiet and pay attention. And when you begin asking these questions of your self, of your highest self, for the best good, perhaps out of that curiosity, chances are you’ll be shocked at the place you’re led and what solutions you get.

Katie: I feel that’s an ideal place to wrap up. And I really like that recommendation. I’m so appreciative of your time right now. This has been such a enjoyable deep dive into mind well being and well being usually, and I’m simply very appreciative. Thanks for being right here.

Dr. Greg: Oh, thanks a lot, Katie.

Katie: And thanks, as all the time, to all of you for listening and sharing your Most worthy assets, your time, your vitality, and your consideration with us right now. We’re each so grateful that you just did. And I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of “The Wellness Mama Podcast.”

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