Jimmy Rex on Placing a Cease to Intercourse Trafficking & What to Watch For


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Katie: Good day, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the top. And this episode tackles a troublesome matter, however I believe a really, essential one in right now’s world. And that’s the matter of intercourse trafficking. I’m right here with Jimmy Rex, who’s an unbelievable one that chooses to stay his life in a manner the place not one second goes to waste. And for him, this implies actively being on the bottom, serving to rescue folks from intercourse trafficking, amongst many, many, many different issues.

 

He’s presently, as an example, an lively actual property agent with one of the vital sought out teaching packages within the nation about actual property. And he’s additionally a highly regarded speaker. He has his personal podcast known as “The Jimmy Rex Present” that reveals extraordinary folks, residing extraordinary lives. And he additionally spends time attempting to make a distinction on the planet, together with as an undercover operative for numerous organizations that rescue folks from intercourse trafficking, together with quite a few very harmful journeys to different international locations to avoid wasting younger youngsters and youngsters.

 

And we discuss this right now, how he’s labored on 12 completely different operations to rescue folks, how this can be a widespread downside in lots of U.S. cities and worldwide, and the way typically, after they land in a brand new place, they’re able to discover folks being trafficked inside simply a few hours. Why intercourse trafficking doesn’t at all times appear to be you assume it will, and what to observe for. Why these organizations spend six instances as a lot on aftercare than rescues, and the way they assist folks after they’re rescued. And issues like the best way to educate your children to pay attention to the chance, what to look out for in your individual children and of their associates, necessary boundaries to assist your children put in place so they are going to be much less in danger, tech pointers to pay attention to. How, particularly youngsters, are focused via expertise and social media. Some journey ideas associated to staying protected, particularly in different international locations. Necessary conversations to have along with your children round this matter, and steps we are able to all take to assist this downside worldwide, in addition to some actually fascinating aspect tangents about Jimmy and what he does on the planet. So like I mentioned, robust matter, however I believe an necessary one. And I believe that you’ll study loads. I do know I did and didn’t understand fairly how widespread and horrific this downside is. So on that word, let’s be part of Jimmy.

 

Katie: Jimmy, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

 

Jimmy: Hey, I recognize you having me on, thanks.

 

Katie: Effectively, I’m excited to speak right now a couple of matter that I believe lots of people possibly choose not to consider, however one which I believe is basically, actually necessary. And that’s the matter of childhood intercourse trafficking. And I do know that’s an intense one. And we’re gonna go a whole lot of completely different instructions with this. However at the beginning, I might love to listen to how you bought into this work within the first place.

 

Jimmy: Yeah, so our mutual pal, Paul Hutchinson. I used to be at a networking assembly about six years in the past and I heard him talking. He had simply obtained again from doing his first undercover operation that he had gone on. And as I used to be listening to him inform the story, it simply touched me in a manner that I knew I needed to be part of this. I knew this was going to be one thing I used to be gonna be concerned with for the remainder of my life. And so, I simply made it a mission of mine to in some way be capable of create sufficient worth to be part of this group that was going and doing this. And, you realize, six, eight months later, I discovered myself on my first op. And since then, I’ve been in a position to be on 12 completely different operations. However I actually simply knew after I heard it, I needed to do one thing about it. And so simply made positive that I may do every part I may to offer worth.

 

Katie: And I do know this can be a factor that individuals right here could also be talked about within the media or see occasional mainstream information references to. However I really feel prefer it, hopefully, isn’t near residence for lots of people so typically it’s a straightforward factor to type of ignore, however are you able to discuss how huge of an issue that is worldwide and why this was so necessary to you?

 

Jimmy: Yeah, I imply, I don’t know actual numbers or something like that, however I can inform you this, anytime we went to a brand new metropolis, if we went in search of it, more often than not inside 45 minutes to an hour, we may discover folks prepared to promote us children for intercourse once we had been undercover. And in order that tells you, you realize, in lots of of those cities, I’ve been to earlier than on trip and by no means crossed my thoughts, by no means thought twice about it. However the second we went in search of it, it was that simple to search out. And so, I do know that in most locations across the nation, it’s not out within the open, it’s not one thing you’ll ever see or take into consideration, but it surely’s happening on a regular basis.

 

Katie: So actually, this can be a factor that would very a lot be taking place and certain is in lots of our personal communities?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. I imply, it was actually, I imply, inside a few hours, for positive, we may discover folks prepared to promote as youngsters that had been already doing it.

 

Katie: Wow. And is that…? I do know within the analysis I’ve accomplished, a whole lot of that is taking place technologically now and the elevated entry to expertise is making this occur. And there are methods that that’s taking place type of underground, even on-line, is that what you guys are seeing as effectively?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. We didn’t actually do a lot with the net stuff, however I imply, when you concentrate on, you realize, with a purpose to, A, site visitors a child, or to be the particular person on the opposite finish of that, going to search for youngsters to have intercourse with, it’s important to have entry to youngsters. And so up to now, a whole lot of instances, all that, you realize, you’ll hear about was some member of the family or possibly a trainer or one thing like that, any person that was near these children. Effectively now, due to the web, we all know there’s simply much more accessibility for these folks seeking to do these issues. And to allow them to each site visitors and discover youngsters simpler via the web. And so, clearly, it’s grow to be a really prevalent place the place that occurs.

 

Katie: So once you say you’ve gone on 12 completely different operations, what does that appear to be? Are you guys in a position to truly rescue a few of the children from these conditions?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. So I’ve been on 12 ops that had been concerned with rescuing youngsters. So we go all the way down to completely different areas the place we all know one thing’s happening, or we’ve been tipped off that there may be an issue. And we might go down undercover. And our job is to enter the worst locations in these cities and discover the worst folks and attempt to discover these which might be trafficking youngsters. And so we’re utilizing, you realize, all of our skills to principally attempt to discover the youngsters and the folks prepared to promote us the youngsters.

 

And so forth all 12 of these ops, a number of of them, you realize, didn’t find yourself getting the youngsters. One thing occurred, any person obtained tipped off, or no matter it may need been, however the majority of them went very profitable. And total, I believe I’ve been in a position to be part of now rescuing over 150 youngsters and having over 45, 50 guys and ladies arrested. And so, yeah, we might actually simply go undercover, we might go into these cities. We’d fly in and begin doing our factor that we do with a purpose to discover them. And like I mentioned, typically it will take us a number of days to type of get all of it arrange, typically it’d be very fast, however that’s type of what it seemed like.

 

Katie: And I’ll admit, it’s considerably unfathomable to me that that is taking place and particularly on such a big scale. Like, I actually can’t even comprehend after I learn these stats. Are these like dad and mom and caregivers which might be collaborating on this, are these youngsters being kidnapped, or what are you guys often discovering?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. So we see somewhat little bit of every part. So it doesn’t often appear to be you’ll assume. So we now have seen youngsters behind cages and bars. That’s, in Haiti, that was, you realize, the fact of the scenario one time. That’s not often what you see although. So sometimes, what’s happening is a whole lot of these youngsters are trafficked both by any person they know, by a member of the family, by a pal, by a trainer. I’ll offer you one instance. We had been in a metropolis in Latin America, and it was a seventh or eighth-grade faculty trainer.

 

She used her place to lure these women that she was instructing. For instance, so she would inform them, “Hey, you realize, I’ve obtained an additional $20 in the event you’ll go to this social gathering. We’re gonna have a celebration. It needs to be enjoyable.” Lure them into the social gathering. Subsequent factor they know, they’re being raped. And the trainer tells them, “In case you inform anyone, inform your dad and mom, then I’m gonna inform them that you simply went and had intercourse with these males. After which we’ll inform all people what you’ve accomplished.” After which principally it’s a disgrace factor.

 

After which they, you realize… And we all know this as a result of a few of the instances once we had been capable of finding these traffickers, we might be capable of faucet their telephones. And the Mexican police or the Latin police, whoever we had been working with, would pay attention to the conversations. And these women could be begging to not must go, however they might go nonetheless. And so a whole lot of them had been even residing at residence and being trafficked out of their very own home. Quite a lot of them, you bought a neighbor or a member of the family or any person like that’s doing it.

 

Quite a lot of instances, the ladies or the ladies, you realize, they weren’t even… typically they didn’t even know the depth of the how dangerous it was, what was taking place to them. They knew that, you realize, they had been being trafficked out, however they didn’t totally perceive. They had been too younger to actually comprehend what was happening. So you actually see somewhat little bit of every part, however often, it’s any person in these sorts of conditions. Quite a lot of instances, runaways or women that, you realize, had a bother in the home, they might go stay with a member of the family or a pal, and subsequent factor you realize, they’re residing with the traffickers or no matter that may appear to be. And so, we noticed all of that.

 

One of many first issues that we do, anytime we’re gonna go right into a metropolis, a brand new metropolis, and go undercover, we now have to ensure first that they’ve all of the aftercare arrange in order that if we do a rescue and we discover these younger women, that they’ve aftercare set as much as assist them or to care for them. And so we wouldn’t even ever go do an op with out that setup. And a part of the rationale for that’s if we rescue the ladies and there’s no aftercare, there’s no manner to assist them, it’s truly worse for them a whole lot of instances. And so, you realize, we work along with these organizations.

 

And so, one of many first questions that they at all times work out, or one of many first issues they work out is, “Okay. Was this particular person residing at residence? Have been they lacking? In the event that they had been lacking, had been they reported lacking?” As a result of that’s often an indication whether or not the dad and mom had been concerned or not. And so, you realize, we actually did a whole lot of work on the again finish to be sure that was all taken care of. That’s a extremely huge a part of it’s simply to be sure that their scenario is protected at residence. And if not, they wouldn’t return to that scenario.

 

Katie: That was gonna be my follow-up query is what does aftercare appear to be? As a result of I can solely think about that there’s most likely loads that wants to enter this from the psychological well being aspect, from the bodily well being aspect to the logistical aspect of constructing positive they’ve a protected place to be after. What all goes into that?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. Identical to you simply mentioned, all of that, you realize, a whole lot of therapists, a whole lot of caretakers, lots of people. After which additionally determining what the ladies needed with their lives. Making an attempt to attach them to the best folks that would assist them in the event that they needed to go to high school, in the event that they needed to have a sure profession. Somebody needed to, you realize, bake or get into hair reducing or no matter that may be. Give them one thing the place they’d an opportunity to study and develop and never have to return to a nasty scenario.

 

However that’s… Yeah, aftercare concerned all of the above. And by the point, you realize, I labored loads with a bunch known as… effectively, I labored with a whole lot of completely different teams, however Youngster Liberation Basis and Operation Underground Railroad. I do know, you realize, for these organizations, they spend much more cash. I heard as soon as, I can’t confirm this, however I heard one time they spend six instances more cash per baby on aftercare that they do on the precise rescues themselves.

 

Katie: Wow. Effectively, that appears tremendous, tremendous necessary. What sort of age vary do you sometimes see when these individuals are rescued? I’m somewhat scared to ask, however I might assume it’s largely like youngsters and younger adults, or do you see type of throughout the board?

 

Jimmy: Often 12 to 14, 15 is type of what most of them are. You recognize, I believe the youngest I noticed was 12. I believe the oldest that we… We rescued some that weren’t underage, however you realize, nonetheless being exploited or no matter. However the majority had been that 12 to 17, 12 to 16 vary.

 

Katie: And is there a course of for coping with the people who find themselves doing the trafficking? Like, are there in these completely different international locations and particularly within the U.S., like, is there truly a technique of them being dropped at justice or what does that appear to be?

 

Jimmy: Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we by no means labored within the U.S. The U.S. has, you realize, a whole lot of enforcement companies. I do know there’s some organizations that work along with these regulation enforcement companies. However you gotta keep in mind, a whole lot of these international locations we go to, they don’t have the cash or the means to do it. And they also have reached out to us to assist them. They desperately need our assist. You recognize, for instance, after I did a few ops in Mexico, they had been so grateful to us that they ended up awarding me and my group of associates that had been along with me, you realize, diplomat standing and a few actually cool awards and issues like that as a result of they’re so grateful. As a result of, you realize, one of many destructive belongings you hear about that is like, “Oh, the Individuals simply wanna go G.I. Joe or no matter.” And it’s actually not true in any respect. They had been so grateful to have us there to have the ability to work with them.

 

And what the Individuals are in a position to do is a lot simpler as a result of we appear to be the folks which might be happening there for the trafficking within the first place. And so we’re in a position to simply get much more data. I keep in mind one op we did, you realize, it took us about 24 hours. The top of the federal police in that nation mentioned, “You guys have gotten us extra data in 24 hours than we gotten in 14 months.” We had all their names, their social medias, their telephone numbers, you realize, every part we would have liked for these guys. And so for us, the chance to go down there and try this, it’s simply far more efficient, far more environment friendly for them. However yeah, it’s a course of of constructing positive you’re working along with every authority on each single op. You’re working very carefully hand in hand.

 

Katie: And I really feel like from right here, there’s type of a two-prong method I wanna go into. The primary being, for all of the dad and mom listening, most individuals listening are dad and mom, what can we pay attention to, indicators to search for, hopefully not in our personal youngsters for anybody listening, however in possibly different youngsters that we’re interacting with, our youngsters’ associates, simply basically, that may be type of warning indicators for issues like abuse and kidnapping and intercourse trafficking?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. I believe it’s actually necessary to show your children in the event that they’re uncomfortable with one thing, to let you realize. I do know after I was a child, I had like a bizarre uncle and nothing ever occurred, however I simply felt uncomfortable with him. He at all times needed to kiss me on the lips like when he was saying hello and bye, and I used to be in a position to get out of it. However, you realize, I keep in mind my dad and mom being like, “Be good or no matter.” And it’s like, no, don’t. Like, in the event you really feel uncomfortable with one thing, that’s an indication that possibly it’s best to steer clear of that particular person. Or you probably have, like, a neighbor that’s somewhat bit creepy, there’s most likely one thing to that. So don’t…

 

I keep in mind simply as a child, you realize, dad and mom, a whole lot of instances, they don’t need their children to come back off impolite, however I believe it’s necessary to let your children know in the event you don’t wanna discuss to any person otherwise you don’t wanna be good to any person that’s an grownup, that’s good. Like, let me know and also you don’t must. You don’t must be pleasant to all people, even when it’s your grandparent or your uncle or whoever it may be. I believe that’s one necessary factor for fogeys. After which simply search for issues. Like, it’s not okay for fogeys to be associates with children. It’s not okay for fogeys to be overly pleasant with children. Or, sorry, strangers, you realize. To be… So if any person’s attempting to love… Often, in the event that they’re gonna do one thing, nonetheless to at the present time, I believe more often than not, the traffickers know the youngsters. And so take note of that.

 

If the trainer is contacting the coed outdoors of church or faculty, most likely not okay. If there’s issues that they need them to maintain from you as a father or mother, not okay. And so I believe it’s necessary to simply have open communication along with your children and simply allow them to know, “Hey, I’m by no means gonna get mad at you. But when there’s ever an grownup wanting to satisfy up or discuss or no matter, I simply wanna know what’s happening and I’ll make sure that, you realize, to be part of it. Simply have a really open dialogue along with your children. As a result of often it seems to be like an grownup that’s simply attempting to be good and so they’ll make you appear to be you’re the loopy one.

 

However you realize, I believe children, particularly if children are simply uncomfortable round any person, take note of their power. In case you have a neighbor that the child’s at all times hiding from or doesn’t wanna discuss to or type of clamps up round, that may be an indication that, you realize, they don’t wanna be round that neighbor or one thing may be happening there. And so I believe that’s an important factor so far as with folks you realize. So far as folks you don’t know, I believe, once more, simply instructing your children to have the ability to say, you realize, to have the ability to say no, to yell in the event that they’re in bother, to watch out the place they’re going, to simply concentrate, you realize, all the primary issues that you’d already inform your child as a father or mother.

 

Katie: Yeah. And I believe that boundary one, particularly round bodily contact is basically, actually necessary. To only echo what you mentioned of even at a younger age, you realize, not forcing our youngsters to hug a relative in the event that they don’t wish to. And educate them from the second that they perceive that your physique is yours to make selections about, interval. And I assist your selections about that. In case you don’t wanna…you’ll not be pressured to hug or kiss any relative, together with me. Like, that is your physique, your autonomy, and I’m your largest supporter in that.

 

And that’s additionally actually nice recommendation about simply watching grownup relationships and ensuring we’re part of them with different adults outdoors the household. As a result of definitely, like, after all, there may be mentorship conditions or academics who’re nice with the youngsters, however there’s no motive dad and mom can’t be concerned in these relationships as effectively.

 

What in regards to the social media aspect? As a result of that is an space that after I was at these ages, didn’t exist. So this was one thing I didn’t must navigate as a young person. And now, as dad and mom, we’re navigating with our youngsters fairly often from a youthful age. And I’ve learn a minimum of that fairly a little bit of the concentrating on that occurs goes on via social media or via on-line channels.

 

Jimmy: Yeah. So, that is a type of issues that oldsters may not be very conscious of in any respect, however it is extremely simple to contact children or teenage children via social media apps for these folks. So I’ll offer you an instance. We had been on trip undercover. Effectively, I ought to say, our group was undercover. There was, with us, one of many guys that got here down undercover, his spouse and cousin got here to be on trip within the metropolis. So earlier than the ops began, they had been hanging out. Effectively, one of many cousin was on her social media on Fb, I consider, or Instagram.

 

And she or he had simply posted that she was on this specific seashore metropolis hanging out and obtained contacted by this man on there that mentioned, “Oh. Hey, we now have this social gathering happening. It’s on the membership, this, this. You guys ought to come.” Effectively, we noticed it later and it was one of many traffickers that we had been working with undercover in that metropolis had contacted her to come back to this social gathering. I imply, she was, I believe 19 or 20, so she wasn’t underage, however nonetheless, he didn’t know that. And who is aware of if that may’ve became a trafficking scenario. So a whole lot of instances, folks will submit their footage and so they’ll put the landmark that they’re by.

 

Effectively, these traffickers can search by a landmark, they will search by metropolis. They will see, you realize, the place these individuals are after which they contact them in real-time and say, “Oh. Hey, we obtained this social gathering,” or, “Hey, we obtained this occasion happening.” And so I simply assume it’s necessary that they grow to be conscious. As a result of a whole lot of instances, particularly teenage children and teenage women, they may be happening a trip and so they harmlessly are posting about the place they’re at in real-time and displaying that and it simply type of opens that door. Particularly in the event you’re in a foreign country, what I like to recommend to folks to do is submit every part three or 4 days later. So wait until you allow the place you’re at.

 

In case you wanna do a video in your Instagram story, as a substitute of posting that story in real-time, you realize, wait three days, make the video, after which submit every part a number of days later. I do know that’s not as enjoyable as doing it in real-time, however particularly out of the country, I simply assume that’s actually necessary to not let folks know the place you’re at. Quite a lot of instances, these are small cities, they’re seashore cities, you realize, you’re in some Southeast Asia place or one thing or, you realize, Latin nation, or South America, or wherever it may be. As a result of it’s a very actual factor. And in addition, it simply opens the door even for folks…

 

You recognize, and oldsters as effectively, by the way in which. In case you’re posting and also you’re manner in a foreign country otherwise you’re very distant from residence and you’ve got teenage children at residence, effectively, most likely not a good suggestion to submit in real-time both as a result of now if anyone’s been watching you and your children, they know you guys are away, they might possibly attempt to make their transfer in your child at the moment when you’re out. And so I believe it’s actually necessary to simply pay attention to that. I do know we wanna present the world every part we’re doing, however you probably have, you realize, teenage children, particularly your youthful children, I simply assume it’s good time to place, you realize, put some area in between the place you’re in order that no one can…

 

I’ve a detailed household that I’m excellent associates with known as the Bucket Record Household. And also you may need heard of them earlier than. I’ve gone on a number of journeys with them, with Garrett and Jess and their household. They usually at all times wait three or 4 or 5 days to submit from the place they really are so folks don’t know the place they’re at. They will’t come and, you realize, who is aware of what they may attempt to do or no matter. And so, I discovered that from Garrett firsthand. However you realize, it’s a fairly good concept to simply submit a number of days later.

 

Katie: Yeah. That’s such a easy tip, however such an necessary one. And it’s one I’ve inadvertently accomplished simply due to having type of an internet platform. I might find yourself assembly up with folks if I posted the place I truly was, which was truly nice, as a result of I like assembly up with my readers, but it surely made me understand like, wow, it’s really easy for folks to determine and put the items collectively and there’s this probability of individuals being in the identical place. However once we consider it via this lens, particularly for teenagers, that could be a easy tip. It makes a complete lot of sense. I do know children are so used to posting every part and sharing their entire life on social media, however that’s such an necessary tip.

 

Jimmy: Yeah. I imply, I do the identical factor. Once I go, you realize, I’m going to a whole lot of sporting occasions, and I submit that in real-time. I don’t have little children at residence both and stuff like that so it’s not as huge of a deal. However yeah, it’s simply a type of little issues. Additionally, simply basically, in social media, take note of who your children are speaking with. In the event that they’re youngsters, in the event that they’re on the apps, I believe it’s simply necessary to have an excellent relationship with them and never get mad at them in the event you ever see them speaking to adults as a result of they’re gonna conceal it from you in that case. And so I believe in the event you can actually come from a spot of understanding and curiosity and love with them, and simply allow them to know like, “Hey, I simply wanna just remember to are protected.”

 

I simply inform them, “I simply wanna be sure to’re protected. You by no means know. I’ll by no means get mad at you, but when you realize adults ever attain out to you, I’d like to know.” I used to be, you realize, speaking to any person fairly lately and he or she had talked about, she’s older now, however she had talked about when she was 16 and 17, she had 37 to 39-year-old guys, you realize, that she was happening dates with as a 16-year-old, 15-year-old. And also you’re like, “Geez, the place had been the dad and mom on this?” You recognize? Nevertheless it’s actually necessary to know who your children are speaking to. And so I simply assume the extra you may create that comfortability with them the place they’re gonna be trustworthy and open with you and also you don’t get mad at them for it, I believe you’re gonna be capable of present an area the place they’ll truly share it with you.

 

Katie: Yeah. And the significance of simply having these open conversations. And like I mentioned, social media didn’t exist after I was a young person, however I had guys in particular person who’re a lot, a lot, a lot older attempt to make contact and discuss to me. And like that felt bizarre on the time. And, like, I didn’t have an excellent context essentially for, like, what do I do about this? And so I believe having these conversations along with your children actually early and ensuring, such as you mentioned, that they hear time and again, like, “I’ll by no means be mad at you. I’ll at all times be your advocate. And these are necessary. Even in the event you simply have a suspicion or an inkling or one thing simply feels bizarre, we are able to discuss it, something, and you’ll not ever get in bother for that.” Simply to create kinda that security internet.

 

And I believe the opposite a part of this, so like I believe the dad and mom being conscious with our personal children is tremendous, tremendous necessary. However such as you’ve defined, this can be a worldwide downside, sadly. It appears to be an growing downside nonetheless in right now’s society. And I do know, like, as an example, me as a mother of six children, I can’t go do sting operations very simply in different international locations, however what are some ways in which we are able to get entangled and assist assist the training, assist the struggle towards this for different folks’s children and elsewhere?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. You recognize, I believe one of the vital necessary issues you are able to do is to begin with your individual self, your loved ones, the folks that you simply affect. Paul at all times has this saying. He says, “Jimmy, I’m gonna educate you a lesson in regards to the circle of affect.” He says, “If it’s inside the circle you could affect it, then you might have the best to fret about it. If it’s not inside that circle, you might have two decisions. You both don’t fear about it otherwise you make an even bigger circle so to affect extra and you’ll finally do one thing about it.”

 

So so far as, like, yeah, you’re not gonna be capable of go undercover and do these type of issues. What you are able to do is to assist assist the organizations like Youngster Liberation Basis that, you realize, goes and does this type of stuff. You’ll be able to assist them by sharing their tales, by sharing their social medias, by sharing their posts, liking it, commenting it, simply letting the phrase get on the market. Additionally what you’re doing proper now, proper? Doing this podcast. And one of many issues that, you realize, I’m cautious to share after I inform folks the best way to share that is you don’t wanna share it in a manner that’s unfaithful or loopy.

 

You’ll discover I by no means give stats or numbers I don’t know. I don’t wanna throw issues on the market. As a result of what I believe what occurred with this motion somewhat bit during the last yr or two is the folks which might be actually evil, I believe that they tried to lump on this difficulty with QAnon and a few of these different loopy theories which might be on the market. And so what it did is it type of minimized all of it, proper? It was like, “Oh, it’s only a bunch of loopy folks.” Nevertheless it’s like, “No. I’ve seen firsthand. I do know the issue that’s on the market. I don’t know the extent to precisely how enormous it’s, but it surely’s huge and it’s an issue.”

 

However as a result of so many individuals began sounding loopy with the way in which they shared it and sharing numbers and stats that possibly weren’t true, they had been in a position to lump it in and simply be like, “Yeah, that’s all simply a part of the loopy proper wing conspiracy.” And so I’m very cautious to not share issues that aren’t true. I wanna be sure that folks know this can be a actual factor. That is taking place. It doesn’t imply that Tom Hanks is consuming youngsters. It implies that, you realize, that there’s a pedophile. And we all know Ghislaine Maxwell trial happening proper now. It is a actual factor. It’s been taking place.

 

However cautious the way you share it. I share it in a manner the place it’s like, “Look, that is most likely taking place proper in your yard.” It doesn’t matter if the elites of the world are doing it within the sense that that’s not essentially what you’ll want to be sharing. What you’ll want to be sharing is, like, look, straight up on the bottom, how can I be affecting my neighborhood, my metropolis, and type of fear in regards to the issues you may truly affect? That’s one of the best factor I’m attempting to get out of that is you’re not gonna be capable of do something if the world leaders are all doing this.

 

Like, there’s not a lot you are able to do or say about that. What you would do is, in your group, assist educate folks, assist folks see the issue that’s on the market. After which simply assist them be, you realize, once more, be good neighbors. The strongest neighborhoods the place this isn’t taking place is the place there may be robust neighborhoods, they’re serving to one another, they care about one another. They’re prepared to speak to one another. And so, I believe that to me is one of the simplest ways to do it. After which, clearly, once more, simply spreading the notice and issues like that.

 

Katie: And I’ll make sure that, I do know that there are additionally many on-line sources, together with the organizations you talked about. I’ll make sure that these are linked to the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. so that you guys can learn and discover a few of these precise info to share and know what to observe for and in your individual group. I additionally totally agree with you that having robust communities in our native space is part of the answer. And in addition, I’ve talked about it in so many podcast episodes, it’s necessary for well being, it’s necessary for psychological well being, it’s necessary for longevity.

 

Like, there’s a motive blue zones have robust communities and that’s as a result of they’re important to us as human animals. However that is additionally simply one other instance of why that’s so necessary. And particularly for our youngsters. I do know that is an space that’s been robust for lots of people the final couple of years because the group’s been harder with a whole lot of the restrictions which have gone on, however one which’s very, essential to nurture.

 

And so I’ll make sure that all these hyperlinks are included within the present notes. I’d like to additionally discuss somewhat bit extra about you personally so folks can perceive the work that you simply’re doing and in addition why that is, you realize, so necessary to you and the way you’re employed to enhance the world in a complete lot of various areas. And I’ve some notes in my present notes, one being, in the event you had been gonna give a TED Speak, it will be about type of the thought of your ebook, which is “You Finish Up The place You’re Heading.” So I might love to listen to you discuss that somewhat bit as a result of I believe that is additionally actually related to oldsters.

 

Jimmy: Yeah, yeah. So a number of years in the past, once more, I type of had this second the place I used to be attempting to determine what my life was gonna be about, what the aim of my life was going to be. And I felt very strongly finally about my function, and it’s to assist folks stay a unprecedented life, to unfold love and goodness via having a playful spirit, and displaying how to do this. And so one of many issues that… I’ll inform you a fast story too. The hat that I’m carrying, it’s a brand for my firm. It’s known as “We Are The They.”

 

And the way that took place is I got here again from considered one of these ops. It was truly one of the vital harmful ones we’d ever been on. And, you realize, I used to be telling my girlfriend on the time, she picked me up on the airport, and we had been speaking all in regards to the op and the way scary it was and the way cool it was as a result of we obtained the rescue and we took these horrible guys down. And I’m telling her all about it and he or she pulls over and he or she goes, “Hey, I gotta be trustworthy. I don’t need you to go do that anymore.” And I used to be like, “What do you imply? I simply rescued these children. Like, that is my life’s function right here. You recognize, it’s gonna be a giant a part of it.”

 

And she or he says, “Effectively, I do know, but it surely’s simply such a nasty atmosphere.”It’s simply actually scary. It’s harmful.” And she or he mentioned, “Why can’t they only go do it?” And with out pondering, I mentioned, “Effectively, there is no such thing as a they, we’re the they.” And as quickly as I mentioned it, I used to be like ‘Oh, shit, that’s…” And, you realize, and I knew… And in order that turned the mannequin for my life is “We’re the they.” And in order that, you realize, once more, along with the ebook, I simply attempt to assist folks. I coach males the best way to grow to be one of the best model of themselves. It’s a bunch known as “We Are The They.”

 

And principally, we simply, via being males of integrity, via being trustworthy about what, you realize, I observed over time, the folks that may attain out to me probably the most, they needed group and so they needed a protected place the place they might open up and have folks love them via development and attempting to grow to be one of the best model of themselves. And in order that’s the place I began that. The ebook primarily follows what is known as the hero’s journey, which is the trail that all of us go on.

 

And I believe it’s necessary in life to keep in mind that attending to the place we’re attempting to get, it’s not a easy path. It’s not a straightforward path. However that journey, that hero’s journey that we go on. And principally, in the event you’ve by no means considered what you need your life to appear to be, you’re simply gonna find yourself the place you’re heading. You’re simply gonna go wherever the wind type of takes you. No matter particular person needs you to be part of their story, they’ll add you in as a bit. And often, you’ll spend your life constructing their dream or their factor.

 

And so if you realize what you need, in the event you get crystal clear on the place you’re attempting to go and what you’re attempting to do… You recognize, you requested me on the very starting of this, how did you get into this? And finally, it’s as simple as I simply determined I used to be going to do that. I made that call. I had a why enormous after which I found out the best way to make that occur. And in order that’s that manner with every part in life. I simply type of, you realize, via the ebook and thru my teaching program, encourage folks to determine precisely what they need in life after which go about determining why that’s what they need after which determining the best way to go about doing it.

 

Katie: Yeah. I believe that’s so necessary. I haven’t had an opportunity to learn it but, however I’m positively going to take a look at your ebook. I even have a word in my present notes that you’ve got an honorary doctorate diploma from 13 universities in Mexico. And I really feel like I would like to listen to extra about this.

 

Jimmy: Yeah, that was a part of… So we did a whole lot of these ops early on. We had been in Mexico. We had been in a position to rescue a whole lot of children down there and so they had been so grateful to us for doing this. Like I mentioned, they didn’t have the power, the means to do it. And so, a number of years in the past, they flew up, most likely 30, 35 officers from Mexico flew up, and we did a particular ceremony on the Capitol constructing right here in Utah with the Legal professional Normal of Utah. They gave us honorary doctorate levels.

 

So I’ve this group of buddies from highschool. There’s eight of us which might be all finest associates. And two of them turned medical doctors. One’s an orthopedist surgeon and one’s a plastic surgeon. And I made the joke to them. I mentioned, “Gosh, guys, who would’ve ever thought that three of us would grow to be medical doctors, you realize?” They usually didn’t assume that was very humorous since they put 15 years of faculty into it. Nevertheless it was simply type of an honor that we obtained to have, simply one thing type of cool and one thing type of fascinating I put in my bio.

 

Katie: I even have a word that you simply’ve been to 84 international locations. And I might love to listen to only a few of the highest ones that you’d suggest probably the most.

 

Jimmy: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So in truth, what occurred, I’ll inform the story of why I began doing that. So in 2014, I had a buddy, his title was Eric Hill. And he had a objective, he was gonna go to each single nation within the shortest period of time ever. And he’d gotten to I believe over 50 of them in lower than 6 or 7 months. And he was doing this world odyssey. And he ended up passing away. He was paragliding and had an accident and died. And I keep in mind there was this, type of, this hashtag that went round, #livelikeEric.

 

And what that meant to me was this man was actually residing his life. He was doing all these wonderful issues and going and simply residing his life. And I remembered I hadn’t been in a foreign country in years. I’d been simply working my butt off on a regular basis. And I mentioned to myself, I mentioned, you realize, “If I died tomorrow, like, the tragedy that that may be.” And so I simply made it a objective. I simply mentioned, “I’m simply gonna go see the world.” And so I began touring, went on a number of journeys with associates, with teams of associates, with, you realize, any person I used to be courting, after which went on a number of on my own too.

 

And what I found is simply this world, when you determine, like, how lovely the world is, once you actually can recognize the world for every part it’s, you might have a a lot stronger want to put it aside, a a lot stronger want to do good on the planet, I believe. And so for me, I actually encourage all people, drop a whole lot of prejudices and also you’re in a position to actually see folks and perceive that we’re all a part of the identical human household. However to choose a number of, I might say, you realize, Eire and Scotland and Iceland are wonderful. Everybody of their lives ought to do an African safari.

 

You recognize, I keep in mind sleeping out in the course of the bush in Zimbabwe and waking up there’s lions 200-feet away and there’s monkeys swinging within the bushes above us. And a honey badger actually crawled proper as much as my leg. And I keep in mind sitting on this berm overlooking this type of this hill and into type of like a marsh and there was hippos and within the distance, there’s giraffes and rhinos. And it’s simply probably the most surreal factor that… You begin to go go to all these folks. What actually is cool goes and visiting the native folks in all these locations, you realize? And also you begin to simply actually have a love for humanity. It actually drops any prejudices you might have.

 

I do know I went a few years in the past to Egypt with a pal of mine. And he grew up there and his household nonetheless lives there. And we spent a number of days with them after we went and noticed the pyramids and all that. And this household was, you realize, a Muslim household. And I’m in Utah. We don’t have very many minorities, simply being trustworthy with you. You type of concern what you don’t know and so that you’re at all times just a bit bit afraid of these folks. And so going over there although and feeling their like to me. They usually introduced me into their houses and fed us and probably the most wonderful meals and simply the way in which they handled us and honored us was actually particular.

 

And I noticed, you realize, all these belongings you’re afraid of in life, when you get close to them, you now not are. And, you realize, Brené Brown talks about this on a regular basis, leaning into folks. Identical factor with animals. In truth, I’m an enormous shark man. I like sharks. I like to swim with sharks. I’ve swum with 15 completely different species of sharks, together with bull sharks, tiger sharks, all this with no cage. And when you might have a tiger shark coming at you, proper? I used to be in the course of the Atlantic Ocean. It’s 15-feet lengthy. It’s this huge… It seems to be like a miniature bus coming at you, however you’re feeling its power towards you. And as a substitute of being afraid, you’re simply in amazement and marvel.

 

This factor lives right here on this physique of water and it’s developing and it’s simply curious, and it’s you and also you’re it. There’s no cage. It’s simply this trade of power and love and it actually adjustments your view in direction of most issues. And so, a part of what I educate, you realize, the boys in my teaching program is we go do scary issues as a result of we now have these irrational fears from what we’re advised to consider from society. You recognize, the information media wants you to be in concern in order that they will, you realize, promote. I imply, you realize, concern sells and all these various things. And so what we attempt to do is by touring and by going and experiencing all this, it’s such a lovely world on the market. And I believe that’s the fantastic thing about touring.

 

Katie: I agree with you. I’ve thought with my very own children is, like, I do know I can look again and understand a few of the more durable instances of my life helped me grow to be the particular person I’m right now. And but I don’t wanna deliberately create a troublesome life for my children. And journey’s type of the right answer as a result of there’s a whole lot of inherent issue that comes together with journey. And such as you mentioned, you achieve a complete new perspective on humanity and on the world and the way we’re all a lot extra linked and comparable than we frequently develop up once we develop up in a homogenous space. And so journey’s positively a core worth for us as effectively. Though you might have traveled to many, many extra locations, which is superior and provoking.

 

Jimmy: Yeah. You do a whole lot of problem-solving once you journey, to your level, you realize, is attempting to determine issues out on the go and you’ll’t converse the language and also you gotta work out stuff and also you simply do. You simply find yourself figuring it out. However I like that concept as a father or mother to, you realize, assist your children develop.

 

Katie: After which lastly, on my notes, I’ve a word that you simply’re the President of the Chris Farley Fan Membership. And I really feel like that wants some clarification as effectively.

 

Jimmy: Yeah. So me and my associates, once we had been in highschool, I used to be a Sophomore in highschool when Chris Farley handed away, and we had been simply such huge followers. I imply, I needed to be Chris Farley. Most guys, you realize, most youngsters most likely needed to be an athlete or needed to be one of many film stars that was getting all the ladies. I needed to be Chris Farley. I simply thought he was one of the best ever. And so me and my associates, the day he handed away, which is December 18th, truly it was simply yesterday, was two days in the past, sorry, it was Chris Farley Day. December 18th was the day he handed away. So we might get collectively yearly and watch all his motion pictures.

 

After which one yr… You recognize, I used to be at all times simply Googling Chris Farley wanting into issues. And I keep in mind one yr, again in possibly 2002 or 2003, I Googled Chris Farley and there was a basis arrange by his brother, Tom, the place they had been elevating cash to assist, you realize, maintain children off medicine. So I reached out to him and we began a relationship. After which a couple of yr later, two years later, Chris Farley obtained a star on Hollywood and we obtained invited out to come back to it. And Tom mentioned, “Hey, I imply, you guys are principally the fan membership. Why don’t you come on out and are available to the star ceremony?”

 

And so we got here out, went to the occasion. It was very personal. I believe there was possibly 70 folks. I imply, we’re speaking it’s Adam Sandler, Chris Rock, David Spade, Tom Arnold, Gary Busey, the blokes from Paramount, his household, and us. And it was very intimate. And obtained to the star ceremony, went to the after-party, and frolicked with all people. It was type of a celebration, but additionally type of somber. You recognize, I keep in mind Adam Sandler simply being tremendous unhappy and… However then and we, yeah, turned the unofficial official Chris Farley Fan Membership that day. And so I turned the president of that.

 

We did an occasion a few years later right here in Utah the place, you realize, his brothers got here in and we did this big social gathering to lift cash for the muse. And we had, like, pizza and it was the meat lovers pizza within the trunk pizza part. We had the rooster wings. There was the Tommy likey, Tommy Need Wingy rooster wings. And had standup comedians come and performed all his motion pictures. And so I keep in contact fairly frequently along with his brothers to at the present time, had them on my podcast final yr. We discuss it on a regular basis. And only a particular little connection I believe to this man that I by no means met however have been in a position to create a whole lot of, you realize, the enjoyment that I had as a child via life was via him. So I’ve type of honored him that manner.

 

Katie: What a cool story.

 

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And as we get towards the top of time, one other query I like to ask is that if there’s a ebook or quite a lot of books which have had a profound impression in your life, and if that’s the case, what they’re and why?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. I imply, I’m an enormous reader. And so I used to learn 50 to 100 books a yr for a very long time. That was most likely earlier than I began my podcast. That’s what I might do. Now I, you realize, research a whole lot of podcasts and podcast friends so I can get folks on my podcast. However I nonetheless learn fairly a bit. And I might say, if I may decide one ebook that each man ought to learn is known as “The Method of the Superior Man” by David Deida. David has personally been a coach of mine as effectively, however he’s, I imply, that ebook, simply nails, the best way to present up as a person.

 

However that’s one ebook that had an enormous profound change on my life. So many, however “Suppose and Develop Wealthy,” you realize, “The 4 Agreements,” these are all books that I attempt to learn a minimum of as soon as yearly or two. After which something by Brene Brown is particular and teaches you the best way to love humanity somewhat bit higher. And so, yeah, these are a few of my favorites.

 

Katie: And I do know that past a ebook, you’ve accomplished a lot on the planet we didn’t even get to speak about right now, together with a whole lot of work in actual property and a lot extra. So the place can folks discover you on-line and continue to learn about all of the belongings you’re doing?

 

Jimmy: Yeah. The very best place to search out me, my Instagram is @mrjimmyrex, and I submit every part that I’m doing on there. Anytime I’m talking, anytime I’ve occasions, my new podcasts that come out, any, you realize, events that I’m internet hosting or throwing any charity occasions for this charity or others that I’m doing, I share on there. And so simply comply with me on @mrjimmyrex. That’s most likely one of the simplest ways. And be at liberty to succeed in out anytime if I will help in any manner. I’m excellent at getting again to folks in my DMs. I do all that myself and so blissful to assist anyone if, you realize, if there’s a necessity that I can assist you.

 

Katie: Thanks a lot. And like I mentioned, I’ll make sure that we hyperlink to the entire various things we’ve talked about, particularly the organizations that individuals can assist if they will’t actively go do work on this space, in addition to to all your locations that you simply stay on-line. However Jimmy, thanks a lot for taking the time to be right here right now. You may have such a captivating story and the entire adventures of your life. And I’m so grateful for you educating about this and for the work that you simply’ve accomplished instantly to assist with this downside worldwide.

 

Jimmy: Effectively, thanks. It’s one thing that, you realize, when you get into it and also you begin doing it, you understand how particular it’s, how particular to have the ability to assist these folks which might be on this scenario. I imply, we even have gone in and seen the ladies being, you realize, in these positions and we’ve been in a position to have the rescues. And it’ll change you and it adjustments you perpetually. And so it’s particular to me. It’s particular to have the ability to share about it and assist different folks grow to be conscious. And so if I can ever do anything to assist unfold consciousness, I’m at all times out there. And thanks once more for having me on.

 

Katie: Thanks a lot for being right here. And thanks as at all times to all of you who’re listening for sharing your time, your power, and your consideration with us right now. We’re each so grateful that you simply did. And I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

 

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